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09/23/2009
Hoppy Kercheval
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Hoppy's Commentary for Wednesday
Talkline Host Hoppy Kercheval
Tennis star Serena Williams yells at an official at the U.S. Open, "I swear to God I'm [expletive] going to take this [expletive] ball and shove it down your [expletive] throat, you hear that? I swear to God."

South Carolina Congressman Joe Wilson yells out “You lie” during President Obama’s address to a joint session of Congress.

Singer Kanye West storms the stage at the MTV Music Video Awards, takes the microphone from Taylor Swift to announce that “Beyonce has one of the best videos of all time.”

WVU fans show up at Mountaineer football games wearing tee-shirts that read, “West F------ Virginia.”

Mix these instances in with the daily milieu of aggressive drivers, cell phone and text usage, the absence of “please” and “thank you” and dozens of other kinds of rude behavior and it’s no wonder that Dr. P.M. Forni sees civility on the decline.

Forni studies social behavior, particularly civility, manners and politeness in society.  In 1997, the native of Italy co-founded the Johns Hopkins Civility Project.  His book, “Choosing Civility: The Twenty-File Rules of Considerate Conduct,” is considered one of the leading publications on the nature of a civil society.

Civility, as Forni defines it, “is a form of benevolence.  We are civil when we are aware of others.”  But Forni says the problem is that too many of us are ignoring the fact that we are sharing space and day-to-day activities with others. 

Forni, who, as you might expect, is unfailing polite, told me on the phone this week that he believes we have fostered this self-centeredness by overdosing our children on self-esteem.

“As a society we have been very good in the past few generations at instilling self-esteem in our children,” Forni says.  “We have not done as well at teaching our children self-restraint and the ability to transcend their own immediate needs and desires to tend to the needs and desires of others.”

The result:  Too many people believe the world revolves around them.  If someone is self-absorbed, Forni explains, it’s hard for them to be considerate of others.  We are too busy getting our own needs met to worry about anybody else.

“Our personal goals mean everything to us,” Forni says.  “What other people think of us means very little too us.  Since we care little what others think of us, we have little incentive to treat them with consideration and with respect.”

So we fly off the handle, threaten others, wear obscene shirts, shout the “F” word with children around, cut off other motorists in traffic, blast our conversations on cell phones, leave manners to our grandparents, shout at each other on talk radio and cable TV and then we wonder why everyone seems so angry.

Forni worries that the decline in benevolent behavior has broader implications.  “Civilization cannot survive the demise of civility,” he says. “How can you have a democratic government if you cannot have discourse with civil disagreement?” Forni asks.

That’s a topic worth discussing, although it’s uncertain we can have it without a fracas erupting. 

 


User Comments
These are the times that tax men's soles... How about a profanity tax, and another on indecent t-shirt blurbs, maybe a tax on dirty shoes, ill-fitting and/or lewd clothing, loud or raucous public gatherings, sports that involve the real possibility of injury to players or fans, loud music in public or private settings (double tax after 9pm), shaved heads, unshaved faces, long fingernails - we need a list of questionable behaviors and outrageous public displays... As a society we are fading fast: not enough money to fund our healthcare system, nor adequate to clean up the carbon dixoide we spew daily into the very face of GAIA, or to fix or replace our crumblng, decrepit infrastructure... Unless we can renew our commitment of common cents into the public coffers (and fast!), more than a football game will be lost... The national Democrats have gone way out on a public limb to borrow money to save us from ourselves, now they need to find creative ways to keep the government from defaulting... Please take a moment to contact the office of Senator Jay Rockefeller and offer your full support for the PUBLIC CIVILITY AND TAILGATER TAX of 2009 (still unwritten as of this posting)... Help him help us help each other! In this way we will climb back onto the road to redemption and become once again a proud society of free men and sober women...
Good commentary. Too bad it's from someone who's the lead-in for Rush Limbaugh on many stations and who I've never once heard denounce Rush Limbaugh's vitriolic rhetoric (not to mention his inflaming distortions of the truth). Faith without works is...
What you have is a coarsening of America coming from popular culture. There is little that shocks anymore and few know shame.

An example are "talk" shows on TV. Remember Donohue...compare that to the staged violence of Springer or the ego of the old Geraldo show. Would Donohue fly today? It's doubtful, even he resorted to wearing a dress one time for shock. The need to shock and awe on the airwaves especially has lead quickest to the coarsening of America. It seems that we always need to top the last bad act of Society...all under the guise of being "grown-up."

We should not be surprised at the road we find ourselves on...for we picked the turn-off.
After last year's Auburn game my wife and I departed Morgantown the following morning and headed off to NC to see our oldest who was in her senior year of college. We took an enjoyable drive down 219 to 460 to I-77 and spent the night in Wytheville. The following morning we began talking with a father and his daughter. Turns out the father was a retired school teacher and promised one of his former student, a guy by the name of Pat White, that he would attend one of his college games - the WVU game turned out to be the one he attended. We had a pleasant conversation and then he mentioned our rude, obnoxious, and vulgar fans. Needless to say that as an alum, I was embarrassed, apologized to both, and asked them not to judge us all by the acts of a few. When I returned home I posted a comment on a couple of WVU sports blog sites and asked if people could show some courtesy and respect to visitors (except Pitt) and was promptly shouted down in the blog world. It's a sad day when this type of behavior is expected and speaks poorly for us as a society. I believe the movie "Idiocracy" may be exactly where we are headed as a culture and nation.
All of these examples are disappointing, but the one that bothers me the most is the level of profanity, verbal abuse and violence at WVU games. Having seen it myself on numerous visits to Morgantown, I have known for years that there is a problem, but the recent series with Auburn gave me a depressing clarity of the lack of class of too many Mountaineer fans.

I had warned my Auburn friends not to make the trip to Morgantown last year. While most WVU fans will be respectful and even welcoming, I told them, too many will be vulgar and viscious. Those who went came back disgusted with our fans, saying that the treatment they received was worse than LSU, which is the SEC standard-bearer for obnoxious, abusive fans.

Last weekend, I took my family to Auburn for the game. I was a little concerned that we would be subject to some of the same abuse that I have seen visitors receive outside Mountaineer Field, but I was blown away by the hospitality and class of the Auburn faithful. We were treated not with the contempt of a battlefield enemy, but rather like welcome guests in someone's home. The Auburn people have so much pride and love for their school, they want to share it with visitors. Unfortunately, some of our fans did not return the kindness, but brought their sullen, drunk, pugnacious behavior south with them. Even though we were outnumbered, what, 85 to 1, all of the sloppy drunk fans and all but one of the f-bombs I heard were from WVU fans. I consider myself an ambassador of our state and university. I love both more than I can say and have spent my life promoting the good things of both. Sadly, the negative conduct of some of our fans at both home and away games speaks louder than I ever can.

I think this sad state of affairs can be improved, but it will take a strong effort by the university and city leaders. I'm sure the U wants to continue to be able to schedule quality opponents and to have the best image possible, I'm sure the businesses in the city want to sell food and hotel rooms and souvenirs to out of state visitors. These good things won't happen if we continue to have the reputation of a third world war zone at football games. Educate the students, put cameras out and prosecute criminals, and for God's sake, raze the Pit and disperse those drunk, foul-mouthed, abusive fans that destroy what goodwill we have left with our guests. I would like to spend money at more WVU games, but I won't take my little kids there and have them subjected to that pathetic behavior. How many other families have made the same decision, and how many can the university afford to lose?
I agree with you Chrism...but...it's not only the students, the 40 something power drinkers are just as obnoxious. I won't take my young boys to Mountaineer field for football games anymore for the same reason you posted. Unfortunately, as long as the games are sold out and the stadium is full...nothing will be done to stop the bad behavior.
i beleive part of the demise is due to technology. it is much easier to twitter something nasty about someone , simpler to email a hasty but ill conceived response, and easier as well to say something with more force and less civility on the phone than it is to say something to someone's face. i am also going to go out on a limb here and say that i don't think it has sunk as far as we think but that it is more noticeable because of the 24 hour media constantly connected world we all live in. i remember reading marshall mcluan's "The Medium is the Message" in high school. i thought it was a waste of time in high school but now i wonder if i might not want to read it again. Seems like we should all take a step back, take a deep breathe and think about the other guy first before we say or do something that will hurt someone else because as we have all learned what goes around comes around. maybe if we impress that aspect on people the self absorption part of their personality will force them to think of others!
I've recently written to the President of WVU and coaches of major sports at WVU to address the issue of the vulgarity of student fans. I don't want to subject my wife and small children to these events because of what they're going to hear. I'd like to see the University address this among its students. I'd also like to see a "family friendly" section in each of the sport venues. For my 7 year old girl to have to hear the amazingly vulgar things (not just the words they use, but the horrible things they say about our opponents) that are a regular part of these events is simply not acceptable.
One of the things that has impressed me most is the tone Pres. Obama has tried to set. He genuinely seems to be a gracious and mannerly man. As the tone of the opposition has been anything but civil, I know many of you will say look how Pres. Bush was treated, in my view it has gone far beyond that with Pres. Obama. For the big Labor Day rally in WV Ted Nugent was brought in, a man who carried an assult riffle on stage screaming "suck on the end of this, Obama", that's about as far from civility as you can get. Who would want to associate themselves with that tone and cheer it on? Yes manners have been lost which we need to work on getting back but I think the loss of civility in our political debate is a cancer on this country.
Hop, All of this is true but I guess the one that hits closest to home are the foul mouth WVU teashirts.It amazes me, the absolte disrespect they are showing tis great state and and WVU. Not to mention how it reflects on them personally.If thet think so little of thrmselves, then how much less do they think of others ????????
Hoppy, nothing new under the sun here. Modern American culture dictates that manners and politeness are OUT; rude, crude and mean is IN. In today's world, it's SO much easier to 'shoot the messanger' than to have serious, civil debate with them. Look at how well this tatic works in the political world! Why listen to the 'opposing' political party's views when it is more effective to belittle them? Same holds true in the world of sports and entertainment, like Washington Redskins player Robert Henson who twittered about how fans who booed the team were 'dimwits' that worked at 'McDonalds."

From the schoolyard to the White House to Hollywood and the sports stadium, manners and respect for one another is becoming extinct in 21st Century America. I wish it wasn't true, but it is. God knows how we'll behave twenty years from now, but the bottom line is, it won't be pretty.

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