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10/13/2009
Hoppy Kercheval
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Hoppy's Commentary For Tuesday
Talkline Host Hoppy Kercheval
The week before WVU and Marshall meet on the football field inevitably prompts the question of whether the game can be classified as a “rivalry.” 

WVU fans are loath to admit that it is because to do so would elevate Marshall.  “Pitt is our rival,” the WVU fans say.  And they are correct.  The Backyard Brawl has the principle elements of a rivalry:  History, geography, passion and significance. 

Certainly Marshall is not the rival for WVU, but can it can still be a rivalry game.

Steve Cotton, the Voice of the Marshall Thundering Herd, concedes that Marshall needs to win one in the series before the “R” word can be used liberally.  However, Cotton says, the Monday after the game one team’s fans will be giving fans of the losing team a hard time in the workplace, the coffee shop and anyplace else they meet; that sounds like a rivalry.

The fact that Marshall and WVU fans argue over whether the “Friends of Coal Bowl” can be classified as a rivalry is another indication that the game is, in fact, a rivalry.

Admittedly the game does not fit the classic definition of a rivalry.  Army first took the field against Navy in 1890.  Cal and Stanford have been battling over The Stanford Axe since 1892.  Mississippi State and Ole Miss have played every year since 1901 for the Golden Egg Trophy.  On and on.

WVU and Marshall have played just eight times in football (three times for the Friends of Coal Trophy) and WVU has won all eight meetings. 

Long-time rivalries have their own unique traditions, but they all have one thing in common—they had a beginning.  Maybe when Purdue and Indiana first tangled there wasn’t much buzz on the games, especially since Purdue won the first three meetings (1891, ’92, ‘93) by a combined score of 192 to nothing. But now the annual battle for the Old Oaken Bucket is one of the biggest on each team’s schedule.

WVU has won each of the three games since the two teams started their current series so the Friends of Coal trophy has stayed in Morgantown.  Mountaineer fans have grown accustomed to having the beautiful glass football at the facilities building.  It’s like the Schwartzwalder Trophy, which is collecting dust in Morgantown since WVU has won the last eight meetings with Syracuse.

But if WVU loses Saturday, Mountaineer fans who want to downplay the game will consider cracking open the glass Friends of Coal Bowl trophy and using a piece to slash their wrists. 

Interestingly, the game has political implications.  It was Gov. Joe Manchin who forced the seven-game series between the two schools, an intervention many WVU fans have never gotten over.  If Marshall wins the Coal Bowl, Manchin will take almost as much heat as Coach Bill Stewart.

The late Tom Searls, who was a long-time Charleston Gazette reporter and loyal Marshall alum, used to love to tweak me about my alma mater, WVU.  The best way to shut up Searls, which was not easy to do, was to cite the outcome of the most recent WVU-Marshall meeting on the football field or the basketball court.

The final score always muted whatever argument he posited.  They call them “bragging rights” for a reason, and you only brag about an outcome when you want the opposing team’s fans to feel even worse about themselves after a loss than they already do.

I won’t brag if WVU wins Saturday, but I will be relieved and quietly smug.  The thought of losing to Marshall is more horrifying than the benefit that comes with winning. 

That’s the way it is with a rival. 


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Hoppy,

It is a simple matter of economics. Revenues from WVU athletics and donations from boosters pay all the bills for the WVU Athletic Department. The State of West Virginia (West Virginia taxpayers) pays the lion-share of the bills at the Marshall Athletic Department. If it is economically feasible for WVU to play the games fine, but WVU does not need to further subsidize the Marshall Athletic Department.
Hoppy,

This is off topic, but I was able to listen to your show yesterday (which I normally can't) and I have to say, you are funny as hell! I was also surprised at your willingness to share that excruciating beat down you got from your ex when you tried to get in touch with her. Hahahahahahaha. I was driving and laughing at that one. I admire people who can laugh at themselves.

On that subject, I will tell you that seeing my son get in touch with his half sister and brother through facebook has left me agog at how truly significant facebook is to our culture. Many will dismiss facebook as just another techno trend but it's far, far more important than a mere trend. Facebook changes peoples' lives. Getting in touch with siblings and dredging up the past is pretty heavy stuff and I think not contemplated by the original purpose of Facebook. Funny how things turn out.

I'm not personally on facebook because I don't need anymore distractions in my life but I can see the attraction, no doubt, but I also see the perils of it too.

I think we live in a very strange world. What's next I wonder?
I don't view this game as a rivalry and I believe most WVU folks don't see it that way. I personally would like to see WVU drop Marshall and add one of our former rivals like PSU or VT (although I honestly don't see either happening). I believe that this game should be dropped and WVU should strive to schedule home/home series with SEC, Big 10, or Big 12 schools (or yes, even an ACC school besides VT) to help the strength of schedule. One last comment. A few months ago Marshall was clamoring for "home and home" scheduling parity with WVU and I'm all for it - as long as we schedule them "none and none." Sorry MU fans, and I don't mean to offend, but I am more concerned about WVU's strength of schedule than yours.
Smokey, Marshall was a really good 1-AA team in the early nineties that won a lot of 1-AA games, but they didn't beat any 1-A opponents between 1990 and 1995. (Lost to NC State in 91 and 93, Missouri in 92.) WVU didn't lose to any 1-AA programs in that period (did tie with MiamO in 1992). Could MU have won a game against WVU in 90, 91, or 92 when WVU went 4-7, 6-5, 5-4-2? Maybe. But they would have broke a sweat.

Rivalry? Sorta. I'm that from 1955-1984 most WVU fans and players would have considered Penn State a rival; I doubt Penn State fans and players felt the same.

I was against the WVU-MU series when it started. MU owed WVU two games their AD Moon had backed out of, I resented that Manchin promised it before he talked to the programs, and at the time it was of no financial benefit to WVU. Only by getting the 'tossup' game did WVU break even in comparison to playing 7 home games against MAC schools. (That was when MAC games sometimes only drew about 30 or 40 thousand fans to Mountaineer field but would play for $200,000.)

But my opinion has changed since the addition of the 12th game. MAC schools don't come cheap any more, and WVU has been stood up by a couple MAC schools that got bigger money offers from SEC schools. Until the Big East finds a way to add a football program to the conference, WVU really needs to play CUSA teams including Marshall. I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck with 2 1-AA (or playoff division or whatever the new term is) teams in my season ticket package.

I think the series would stay more interesting if they did not play every year, at least until MU wins one. I'd like to see them play 3 or 4 times over 6 years. Seems they could work it out to only play in Huntington when WVU has 4 conference home games.
Smokey, I hope that comment was tongue in cheek! In 1997 a Thundering Herd team, led by Heisman finalist Randy Moss, and Chad Pennington, opened their season with a 42-31 loss in Morgantown.
If MU would have not inexplicable pulled out of the first verbal agreement to play four games up in Morgantown beginning in 1997, MU likely would have won at least one of those four games (probably in 1999 or 2000). That, in turn, would have earned MU enough respect for WVU to go play one down in Huntington in a 3 for 1. However, b/c MU foolishly pulled out of that first series contract, they missed their "window" so to speak. It cannot be rivalry if only one team has won. I do not see them competing with WVU any time soon. The coaching and talent disparity is too much.
It only a rivalry if you root for the other team to lose all the other times they play (like Pitt). But since I, and most other WV fans I know, root for Marshall in all of their other games besides the Coal Bowl, it's not a real rivalriy. (And before anyone jumps on the Pitt comment, I DO root for them to win their bowl games - a lot of good THAT does! - for the good of the Big East record. But otherwise ...)
Hoppy, Fortunately for WVU, they did not have to play Marshall back in the early nineties when the Herd would have slapped the Mountaineers around and hardly broken a sweat. But times are different now, and the Marshall game is kind of a drag on the Mountaineers schedule. In the past, WVU annually played one of the nation's toughest schedules with Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Penn State, etc. I know, Miami, BC, and Tech went to the ACC. Where are the Penn States and Marylands? Now WVU plays Liberty and Marshall. Yes, the Captain is correct about those games affecting the strength of schedule. However, he forgets that just a couple years ago, if WVU had beaten a four touchdown underdog Pitt team, the Mountaineers would have played for a national championship. I guess Mountaineer fans try to forget that. But that was an unusual season, with top teams losing the final weeks of the season. Have a great day.
It is a rivalry from the standpoint that it is played between the two largest universities within the state, other than that I do not believe there is the same excitement as existed when the series first began. Maybe if Marshall would win a game that would spur the interest again and that will happen if they continue to play, either due to the fact they have a better team or by upset. As a WVU fan I will not be sad if the series does not continue as I think it would be better for many reasons, if WVU could bring in some other schools and that is not a slap against Marshall. This will never be a game of national interest as some proposed and is basically a win for Marshall in that they will at least be able to sell out that game when WVU is in town.
Hoppy, if this is a football rivalry, it is an artificial one to be sure. It was Governor Manchin (in one of the few moves he made that I question) who FORCED these two teams to schedule one another. Some would argue that making WVU play a Conference-USA team worsens its strength of schedule in the BCS ratings. NEWS FLASH! WVU will NEVER EVER have a shot at the mythical BCS Championship regardlees of whether they play Marshall. The sports media continues to diss the Big East Football conference every chance they get. Even if, by some miracle, WVU would go undefeated some year, the BCS ranking would leave it out of the top two spots, guaranteed. The BCS computer/process does not and will NEVER respect the Big East Conference anymore.

So, since there's no chance of a BCS championship for EITHER WVU or Marshall (BCS hates C-USA even MORE than it hates the Big East) why not let them play on the field every year? What can it hurt? Whether one calls it a 'rivalry' or not is strictly a matter of opinion.

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