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10/18/2009
Hoppy Kercheval
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Hoppy's Commentary
Talkline Host Hoppy Kercheval

When I was a child once a year my family went to visit Aunt Hilda.  I went only because a higher authority (my parents) required me to.  I dreaded the trip and the interminable afternoon spent sitting, listening to my Aunt Hilda’s monolog about the problems with her hearing aid.  

I was subdued on the trip home, aware enough to know that since my heart was not in the visit--I was only there because my parents made me go--I could take no pleasure is having gone.   There was only a sense that this thing of dread had been accomplished.

And that brings me, strangely, to Saturday’s “Friends of Coal Bowl.” 

I’ve always been a proponent of WVU and Marshall playing every year in football, arguing it was somehow good for the state and fun to talk about. 

Maybe there’s a part of me that even took that position to tweak WVU fans who, unreasonably, hate all things Marshall.  I’ve gotten to know a number of Marshall folks over the years and found that, remarkably, they are a lot like us; they love their institution and they want their teams to win. 

But, as a loyal WVU alum, it has finally dawned on me that, from a WVU perspective, there is no point in this game.

It hit me Saturday during what had to have been one of the dreariest days ever at Mylan Puskar Stadium.   With Marshall leading 7-3 at halftime, Jarrett Brown out of the game with a concussion and WVU students fleeing their sections in droves, it occurred to me that no good can come of this.

The eventual 24-7 Mountaineer victory and the veteran-like performance of freshman quarterback Geno Smith helped lighten the mood of the dismal day, but the joy was missing. 

The dominant feeling was relief…relief to learn that Brown’s injury was not serious, that WVU’s quarterback of the future was capable, and that WVU would not have to endure the embarrassment of a loss to Marshall, even though it’s evident that Coach Mark Snyder’s teams are improving.

WVU’s dominance in the four games played thus far in the “Friends of Coal Bowl” series means a victory provides no so-called “bragging rights.”  You don’t brag about winning a game you are supposed to win.  You’re just glad it’s over.

If I’m dead honest, my promotion of the game now sounds like hollow platitudes.  There is just not enough potential gain from a West Virginia perspective to offset the gnawing fear of losing. 

And, one day, WVU will lose this game because, well, that’s the way it works in sports.   Ohio State was a two touchdown favorite over Purdue Saturday and lost 26-18.  For WVU, the question must be: “Why put yourself through this game if you don’t have to?”

Like my forced visits to Aunt Hilda, I just don't see much of an upside. 

This is not about Marshall.  Coach Snyder is an honorable, likable guy.  Even he has said that Marshall must win one of these games to make it a rivalry.  No, this is about my victory hangover. 

The whole politics of engagement between WVU and Marshall in football as brokered by Gov. Manchin has left many Mountaineer fans, including me, uneasy.  Will this Governor or the next intervene when the current seven year series expires?  If so, will WVU be forced to accept terms not necessarily in the school’s best interest?

Currently, Marshall says it will settle only for a home-and-home series, while WVU wants a two-for-one.   If neither side gives ground, each can leave the table with their dignity and the fans can resume arguing about whether the teams should play.

Marshall’s football program needs victories more than it needs a series with WVU.  WVU needs, well, not to lose to Marshall. 

 


User Comments
Well said Hoppy. It is just another game for the WVU players and the biggest game of the year for Marshall.
You all are right...WVU should not be playing Marshall. They should be playing Penn State...oh, wait...they wont play WVU...okay, they should be playing Maryland...oh yeah they dropped them..How about Virginia Tech? Oh yeah, they dropped WVU too. Ummm..Ohio State!!! But the last time they came to Morgantown...they bought up all the season tickets...so thats a no..How about Ohio U? Well they actually recruit in WV and give our kids scholarships...so they cant have the "advertising". That leaves UVA...and we will call it the Smug Bowl...and after the game WVU and UVA fans can sit in the blue lot and waft their own flatulance.
i say play them one for one for the next hundred years i see no difference in playing marshall than some of these other fly by night schools like east carolina ,marshall is rated ahead of them it would be awful for wvu to eat a lil humble pie by getting beat by marshall it saves a heck alot of dollars that the state cant afford to spend i bet it cost about half as much to play marshall than it does colorado or how about the unlv team i dont see the big deal other than FALSE PRIDE and im a wvu fan lets go eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrsssss
BCS,

I am glad you are amused. Marshall uses tax dollars to fund their Athletic Department and provide scholarships to Athletes. WVU does not and hasn't since Neil Bucklew stopped the practice, I believe in 1989. WVU's Athletic Department including scholarships has been funded through Athletic revenues and donations since then. Yes WVU spends taxpayers dollars on educating students, but then a University's mission is to educate student.

Hoppy,

I live in huntington and I am a WVU fan. Marshall is the only one who benefits from this series, because they are not in a BCS conference and this type of game is their big "Bowl" of the year. It is their big chance to look good nationally. WVU on the other hand gets hurt by this game either way for two reasons. If they struggle but win, it hurts them in the BCS standings and if they win big, it will be said that they ran up the score on poor Marshall a non-BCS, C-USA team. In my opinion, they should only play one game in Morgantown about once every 3-5 years. That would be good enough and if Marshall would win one, then so be it.
Hoppy,

The Marshall series is getting old. It was old last year. The only people who care and want this game is Marshall. They are the only ones who benefit from this stupid game. The WVU students don't even care. There was a mass departure at halftime. Remember at WVU, students must register and request student tickets. Once a student recieves the ticket they must go to the game or there chances of getting future tickets decrease. That's why most students came in the first place and left before the game was over. It wasn't the weather, swine flu, or bridge day traffic detours. The simple fact peoople in Morgantown don't want this game, nor care about this game. If Pitt was in town the place would have been sold out, no matter what.

Point being the game has run its course. The title sponsor "friends of coal" has already said they won't be picking up the sponsorship after the contract for this football series is up. Really, what does WVU gain from playing this game. Bragging rights, we don't need bragging rights. Marshall has been completely dominated, out coached, and out played. Look at the scoreboard and stats of the previous games for further proof.

Put a fork in it, this series is done.

I'm starting to question whether or not the basketball series should be continued.
the baloon episode reminds me of something i did 60+ yrs ago at about the same age as the child involved. creek behind house was flooding badly.granny yelled and i didn't answer.everyone got scared.i knew i was in trouble,so i crawlled under the house and continue to not answer.they finally found me .only whopping granny ever gave me,and it was world class.
very well said teacherandproud!!!!!!!!!-they would have called that hit had it been wvu--i wonder who trains these guys and where are they from????????--they can certainly loose a ball game for you especially when they are flag happy against you............and it does happen......
Hoppy, I'm a Marshall fan and I agree with you. I am tired of the groveling of the Marshall side to play this game and tired of the arrogance of the WVU side that we're not worthy. I used to look forward to our trips to Tennessee, Ohio State, Clemson etc. to experience big time football and the good fun that comes with meeting fans from other schools and seeing their traditions. Going to Morgantown is not on par with those experiences. The treatment from the fans is down right abusive. Even if we would win it would not be a fun experience. Lets go our separate ways.
wawarnick: I find it amusing you mention Marshall's football team is subsidized by the WV tax payer. I was unaware that WVU didn't receive a single dime in tax revenue. Did the school go private? In fact, WVU receives more than 3 times the tax revenues as MU (to educate many out of state students that flee the state after graduation no less). Also, take a look at the "stamp" on the top of your soda can. Where do you think that tax goes?

I digress. Based on fan interaction, I have a difficult time believing no one cares when Marshall is in town. The "colorful" chants of many WVU fans support my claim. What's the word? Expletive the Herd? Are such rally cries organized when ECU, Colorado, or a random 1-AA pay a visit to Morgantown? I doubt it, or at least I hope not because I’d rather those tales not leave the state. To WVU I say: Go ahead, schedule a one and one with Ohio State, Penn St ( what a rivalry this one was!!!). , USC, Michigan, or whomever to replace Marshall on future schedules. It benefits you to do so. If for some CRAZY reason that isn’t a possibility, spare us all the torment of watching WVU thrash an out of state, middle of the pack team after 2012. I’ll miss the taunts and the West “blankin” Virginia tees.
Hoppy, "TD" I'm with you. When I lived in Morgantown, we used to say,"Paterno will never go winless because he gets to play WVU." We also used to say, "We'll get'im next year!" We said that for 26 years, straight !! That 1984 Mountaineer win was so-so-sweet. You know it had to be. The "Law of Averages" kicked in.

The same Law will apply to Marshall. The more times they play WVU, the better their chances of winning one. It will never be a "rivalry" in spite of Coach Snyder.

This "Coal Bowl" will never come close to true in state rivalries like Alabama-Auburn (where the Auburn Head Coaches' job is on the line) or Florida-Florida State (where the national TV Networks conduct sky's-the-limit bidding wars for coverage), and Georgia-Georgia Tech (which is sold-out until the year 2025).

But it might mean something if .....WVU left the Big East (Big Easy).... Nah....
When I was a child, I listened to WVU get clobbered by Penn State every year. I am old now and I could not remember a WVU win until the 1980s. I can imagine Penn State commentators saying “What’s in it for us?” Guess what, they were right. There never was a rivalry from their perspective. The Pitt rivalry was a one sided rivalry for years. The city folks a Pitt looked down their noses at the country folk from Morgantown and they still do. WVU should want to play Marshall twice a year, possibly three times a year. At least they aren’t Liberty or VMI or William and Mary. Marshall should never want to play WVU or VA Tech, ever. What good does it do to go into a season with two guaranteed losses except for a paycheck? I don’t care if they play or not. I get tired of arrogance from WVU fans and wannabe whining from Marshall fans.
Hoppy, I'm glad you saw the light. I detest this series because politics played the key (only) role in it happening. Drop Marshall and schedule a team from the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, or ACC (About Cash Conference) to boost WVU's strength of schedule. WVU needs to focus on strengthening the Big East and bettering its perception, not worrying about some politician that wants us to play Marshall.

Brian12 it must be some good whiskey (or somethting else) that you have to accuse WVU of padded schedules. The former coach may have done this but have you looked at our future opponents over the next few years? And while you may not care for Stew it's hard to honestly argue against his record thus far: 1-0 BCS bowl; 2-0 bowl games; 14-5 regular season. Remember, save 2 assistants (DC and line coach), he hired an entirely new coaching staff, lost a fullback, a tailback, and the most productive wide out and went 8-4 last year plus the bowl win to go 9-4. Yes, we still have some issues (namely turnovers) but things are and continue to look up. I hated the offense last year (as did many others) but the bowl game was a glimpse of the future and we saw more of the future on Saturday when Geno came into the game. GO MOUNTIES!!!
What this Hoppy? You had to waist your precious time visiting lowly relatives? When I was young we had a great rilvary with Penn State, at least I thought it was a great rilvary, fact was Penn State had a 26 year win streak prior to the '84 victory. I remember getting all fired up every year looking ahead at the schedule to the Penn State game, what could they have been thinking playing lowly WVU? At least the Marshall game provides increased excitement and interest, and it's no doubt a hundred times better than scheduling some "B" team and having the stands half empty. Marshall will beat WVU someday, may take 26 years maybe not, but WVU should not avoid playing Marshall for fear of the embarrasment eventually losing to our lowly relatives will bring.
Hoppy, I'm glad you FINALLY realized what 9 out of ten "EDUCATED" WVU fans have known since this series was forced upon us by our current governor. Nice article. Better late than never.
I don't know where to start. You are such a hypocrite. I didn't re-read it but I think you had a commentary about a "rivalry" and how great it was. Now, after you thought at one point WVU would lose, the game isn't worth the effort, which brings me to my 2nd point; you, like everyone else, want a padded schedule. WVU ends up w/ Stewart (an honest and decent man, but not a capable coach at this level) and end up w/ Liberty on the schedule. Is there anyone out there who can't see this? Get a bad coach, dilute the schedule. And Hoppy just verified the entire scam. I give up
i'm with you hoppy i don't think anybody really cares anymore except maybe the marshall fans. i know i don't give a hoot.
An acknowledged epiphany, Hoppy...well-noted.

If Marshall couldn't win the game Saturday then what will it take to lower WVU's chances enough that Marshall has a shot? Teams do not continually get better...they experience ups and downs. Hoping to catch WVU on a down and Marshall on an up seems a very poor reason to play a series of football games.

Don't think that Governor(Football Commissioner) Manchin will not be wishing and hoping with all his heart that Marshall wins one of the games left in the series...he has to have some kind of "I told you so" to fall upon. I'm guessing though that the true WVU fans are the ones to say those words.
Hoppy,

Hopefully, the politicians will stay out of scheduling football games this time. Lord knows they have enough they should be doing, if they would just do it.

WVU does not need the Marshall game for recruiting. The game does not help with WVU's strength of schedule. The game makes scheduling more difficult for WVU. Marshall's Athletic Department is already subsidized by the West Virginia Taxpayers, and thanks to Joe, WVU's Athletic Department and boosters are helping subsidize it too. There is no up side for WVU in playing Marshall. Its two for one or done.
Well Hoppy, NOW you see the reason why the "Friends of Coal Bowl" should end. However, since Gov. Manchin WANTS this annual game to be played, watch him do everything in his power to make the two schools sign a LONG TERM renewal contract. In my opinion, Mojo hasn't made many missteps as Governor, but FORCING WVU and Marshall to play each other in football was one of them. Like you said, Hoppy, WVU has nothing to gain and everything to lose when playing Marshall. I have to say this in defense of Marshall, at least they're not afraid to schedule strong opponents to play every year. This means fewer victories, but at least they're not padding their win total playing so many 'Cupcake Tech' teams like WVU has over the years (like Liberty this year). Love'm or hate'm, ya gotta respect Marshall for that.
Hey Hoppy,

I was just wondering if you could keep us updated on what, if any, reprimands the officials get for this horribly called game. The illegal hit on Jarret Brown, with no penalty. The horsecollar out of bounds on Alston. Giving Marshall a touchback when WVU downs the ball inside the one yard line. A facemask after a punt gives the ball back to Marshall, etc, etc. I hope the Big East or C-USA, wherever these morons were from, bans them from ever officiating another college football game.

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