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11/19/2009
Hoppy Kercheval
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Hoppy's Commentary for Thursday
Talkline Host Hoppy Kercheval
I admit it’s hard not to like West Virginia’s Promise Scholarship Program.  What parent of a high school graduate does not welcome the state paying for in-state college tuition and fees for their child as long as he/she meets the academic requirements?

Had my son gone to college in West Virginia, I would have willingly accepted the subsidy, assuming he could have made the grade. 

However, this program is not cheap--$42 million a year—and the research done so far into Promise is worth a careful review to determine whether the state is getting the maximum benefit on its investment.

A recent report by the WVU Bureau of Business and Economic Research found 62 percent of the first graduating classes to receive the Promise (2005-2006, 2006-2007) worked at least three months in West Virginia.   That means at least one out of every three graduates who received state-funded tuition and fees either left the state or stayed here and didn’t get a job.

In fact, the in-state work participation rate for Promise scholars is below the state average.  The report found that 67 percent of all West Virginia college graduates over the same period worked at least three months at a West Virginia job.

According to the report, “This suggests that PROMISE graduates are less likely (emphasis added) to remain in the state after graduation.

Interestingly, the in-state retention rate is also higher for West Virginia college graduates who received money from the state Higher Education Grant Program.  Seventy percent of those recipients stayed in West Virginia to work.

Those grants are awarded based on need and merit while the Promise scholarships are strictly merit based.

One of the arguments—but admittedly not the only one-- by those who first advocated Promise was that students educated here were more likely to remain in the state and help rebuild the economy.  In fact, the research shows students who get Promise are more likely to leave the state.

This is not surprising.  West Virginia may be home, but most young people are going to go where they can find a job.

A study released last year by the High Education Policy Commission found that, “While many participates plan to stay in West Virginia after graduation, they purport that the scholarship program did not impact this decision.”

That report also found that most Promise students planned to go to college whether they got the Promise or not and “many would have attended the same institution in which they were enrolled.”

Promise is a huge political winner. Elected officials love to tout what they are doing to help send students to college.  And, in fact, the assistance does make it easier on the families whose children get the Promise.

The money for the Promise comes from gambling revenues, meaning the addicted and the mathematically-challenged are helping finance the college education of children from largely middle class families. 

But beyond the obvious benefit to those on the receiving end of the redistribution, is there really a net gain for the state equal to the investment of $42 million annually?


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Hi Hoppy...2 things about Promise... 1) then Gov. Bob Wise "promised us" if we would give him the grey machines, he would give our kids the Promise Scholarship. No new requirements, no higher standards, no screwing with the program UNLESS... we eliminate the grey machines! 1a) I could be in favor of tying the spend for the next years Promise scholarships, to the revenue derived from this years grey machines.

2) We tell our kids every day that the key to their future is Education and hard work; and it is. That is the only way you and I landed where we have "landed". So you do what you can to keep inspiring and nudging every youngster (my kid, your kid, the neighbors kid, the nephew, etc.) to do just that. While it would be near perfection to see those graduates stay here and improve our lifestyles, what part of our greater region could you not appreciate our kids going to and making life better for all of us?

OK 1 more thing...while these kids are hard at work at a WV college or university...when are we going to do our part and create a viable environment for them to earn a living here in Almnost Heaven? I'd like to work in my Hometown, but I can't and survive because, while my hometown is a slice of Heaven all by itself... there are no jobs on my street, or in my town, or even my county... that provide me the opportunity to work 50-60 hrs. a week and still be worried every day my job will be relocated to somewhere outside WV.
"Taxpayers foot a great deal of education costs in this state, should we have to pay for everything from kindergarten thru college. The entitlement mentality continues to grow."

Who else is going to foot the bill for education from kindergarten through college besides the taxpayer exactly? How is giving a child/young adult an education entitlement? Is it not this education that trains people to move our society forward and keep America at the top of the world? I call that an investment. Those with no education require an investment (welfare) to give them basic needs and primarily keep them out of prison allowing society to work with a basic sense of order. I'm more than open to any real idea. Sometimes I'm a liberal, sometimes I'm a conservative. But I'm a taxpaying West Virginian and American citizen first and foremost. This entire mentality of anti-intellectualism is suicide. I never made any connection to liberals being intellectuals and conservatives being good ole' workin' class folks, you did. I know plenty of brilliant minds who are Republicans and Democrats, it just seems the people who represent them in government are not. I'm sorry, I believe that when we have critical problems, it takes critical thinking from people on all sides to resolve them. Sitting back and throwing propagated phrases, such as "entitlement mentality," when it doesn't even fit the discussion, does nothing but create a cacophony and mask the problem.
Give the scholarships--get a two year commitment to work or do in-service or internship in state. If not, turn scholarship into loan. What would be reaction if we offered same scholarship deal to teach certification for CNC machinists ? Might be a mute point soon. Gaming revenues fall and the scholarships will be reduced as well.
I believe that Captain Q is on to something with his idea of repayment. I am aware of scholarships that are available that also require some percentage of repayment at the conclusion of your degree, which continues to perpetuate the scholarship and make it available to others. As stated most of these individuals are high achievers and would go to college even without the promise scholarship. It is unfortunate that students come out of college owing a substantial amount of money. Taxpayers foot a great deal of education costs in this state, should we have to pay for everything from kindergarten thru college. The entitlement mentality continues to grow. Why is it most liberals like theprojeckts think their way is the only way and they are the only educated ones? Heck, even we poor dumb slobs can at least have a good thought once in a while. This individual needs to chill and take a little time to look at another point of view.

I can't believe that with all is wrong with the world people would criticize this program. Let's get some perspective when we look at these numbers. How many promise scholars are in state jails? How many promise scholars are on food stamps? How many promise scholars are raising children on welfare? How many promise scholars are on workers comp? The cost of a lifelong entitlement to welfare and state services far exceed the cost of a college education. Plus whether it is in West Virginia or not the majority of these scholars will go on to pay federal taxes so that their unschooled brethren can live the easy life. Given the choice I would want all my tax money to go to those who are getting by on merit instead of those who will not do for themselves.
Hoppy, The Promise scholarship program is another well intentioned program that may not be sustainable in these economic times. The Promise program benefits West Virginia's future but we have trouble taking care of present problems. West Virginia's hard working state employees are going without raises and cannot keep up with exenses. West Virginia's Supreme Court justices have been critical of the DHHR not being adequately funded and staffed. I am not saying that the answer to all the state's problems is to throw money at them, but we may have other needs for the money than the Promise program. West Virginia's legislators refuse to dip into the Rainy Day Fund despite the monsoon we are experiencing. Tough times call for tough decisions. It may be time for at least a temporary moratorium on Promise. Have a great day.
Sign an agreement that forces you to stay in WV for five years or else the scholarship turns into a loan? Wow. Is there really no thought into WHY graduates leave the state? Perhaps college graduates would stay in WV if there were actually jobs here for them to accept comperable to those offered elsewhere. You're making it sound as if there is a job in Morgantown or Charleston and a job in Charlotte paying the same and people are choosing to leave. Not so.

Furthermore - for many kids - the Promise isn't enough. Some still have to get loans to live off of to maintain the grades necessary to keep the scholarship and actually graduate with a GPA good enough to get into a Graduate program. It's difficult for most people to pull a 3.5 or higher while working 40 hours a week.

Even with the scholarship many kids are graduating tens of thousands of dollars in debt into a WV job market that can't absorb them. Now you want to slam them with another 50K of loans simply because they have to move across the country to find employment in their specialized field. Great idea.

Even if the graduatation rate is ONLY 1 in 3, is that not significantly better than 0 in 3? You're saying that 33% more WV youth are achieving college degrees and that isn't good enough to maintain the program? Even if those kids leave the state to work, they are still pumping tax dollars into the federal/global economy - not leeching from it. Don't we always say that someone with a college degree will make 2 million more dollars in a lifetime than someone without one? How much would we lose in taxes by ending that program? Whether they leave the state someday or not - they are still West Virginians. Isn't that what we always say? If they leave this state with a story to tell contrary to national stereotypes - "my state cares about education so much that they paid for me to go to college even though the state economy couldn't use me", that in itself could be a wonderful investment into improving state PR.

Perhaps if we (in this state) had a true appreciate and dedication to education - if only for the simple idea that 150 years without it have led us to our current dilemmas -we wouldn't be hostage to labor unions and international corporations who use us as a tax haven because we're so poor that we can't turn them away or strongly negotiate for our own interests.

So way to go Hoppy, placate to the uneducated masses that 42 million dollars is too much to spend on educating our youth, even though some in this state have spent 25% of that just to buy themselves a Supreme Court judge or Senate seat. Is this because most surveys show that college graduates, especially those who leave this blue state turning red, generally do not support most of the candidates you do?

Instead of theorizing the end of this program, maybe we could tweak it to include adult education so that more people were able to see how overly simplified and biased your commentaries actually are. Are you really an intellectual West Virginian fortunate enough to have a voice and reach us - or are you another corporate shill pushing the agenda of the man who issues your direct deposit?
Hoppy,

As usual the Politicians are using tax money to buy votes. This is even worse than usual because most of the people who regularly gamble can least afford it. I dare the legislature and Governor to put forth a Constitutional amendment on a Lottery now. They won't because I think they know that their cash cow would die. The hard working taxpaying citizens have had a belly full of gambling on every corner. How does Wise and the rest of them sleep at night. Reduce, Restrict and Regulate my eye.
Hoppy, this is yet another example of a well intended government program growing so big it can't be fully funded. There are two ways our state government could do to bring the PROMISE Scholarship Fund back into the black. They could either (a) add further qualifying restrictions or (b) increase revenue with MORE taxpayer funds. I've been saying for years there IS a simple solution for this. Make all PROMISE recipients sign an agreement that turns the scholarship into a LOAN IF the recipient leaves West Virginia within five years of graduation. THIS way, there would be a steady flow of money coming back into the Fund (even with 38% leaving WV, that'd still be a sizable amount coming back in). Do this, Hoppy, and the PROMISE Scholarship Fund would be self sustaining within a decade. This is more than fair because if WV is going to pay for your education, you really ought to work here, PERIOD!

Why won't WV lawmakers take this bold step? They seem so eager to raise taxes and create new ones to pay, what's their problem?

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