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04/29/2010
Hoppy Kercheval
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Hoppy's Commentary For Thursday
Talkline Host Hoppy Kercheval

The federal government has a Constitutional responsibility to protect the country from an invasion.  Article Four, Section Four makes that clear. 

We have historically—with some notable exceptions—done a pretty good job at that.  Even though Americans have been attacked on U.S. soil, the country has never been occupied by a foreign power.

But what if Washington became complacent one day, dawdling while enemy ships converged, let’s say, off the coast of Virginia.  I suspect the loyal citizens of the Commonwealth would, upon seeing that Washington was asleep, muster its own defense as best it could.

That scenario is not too far off from what’s happening in Arizona.  The Arizona legislature has passed and the governor has signed a bill into law that essentially gives the state the authority to enforce the federal immigration laws.

Supporters say the state is being overrun with illegals—there are almost one-half million—that strain social services, drive down wages and, in some cases, participate in gang-related crime.  Opponents of the new law say it’s a draconian measure that encourages racial profiling and that illegals are a valuable part of the work force.

Here is the most controversial portion of the law:

“For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall me made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.”

What exactly is the problem here?   The police, already appropriately constrained by the Fourth Amendment’s protection against “unreasonable searches and seizures,” can now handle immigration cases the same way they enforce all other laws; they follow up when they have a reasonable suspicion.

Critics say the problem is knowing the definition of “reasonable.”  Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer didn’t help her cause when she stumbled through an answer on how the police will identify an illegal.  “I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like,” she said.

The credibility of the new law is further damaged by the rabid support of some who act like the xenophobic “Bill the Butcher” in the film Gangs of New York.   In the movie, Bill challenges the Irish immigrants to a fight for control of The Five Points of New York City saying it’s “Us natives born RIGHT WISE to this fine land or the foreign hordes defiling it!"

Bill’s history was a little off since under a strict definition of “native,” just about all of us would fall into the “foreign hordes” category.   America has always aspired to be less about the circumstance under which you were born and more about whether you subscribe to the American ideals.

Those ideals include not only individual liberties, equality and the rule of law, but also the Constitutional obligation by the federal government to carry out its responsibilities. On the matter of immigration, the federal government has failed miserably. 

We don’t know yet how, or even if, the Arizona law is going to be enforced, though the hysteria conjures up images of the gulag.  What we do know is that the state is trying to find a solution to an enormous problem and so far the response from Washington, which bears responsibility in this mess, has been primarily to criticize the soldiers on the front lines.




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I lived in Az. from 1979 to 1989. When the construction boom was rolling and everyone making money from the illegal workers no problem. They were needed. No one from this country would do the jobs they worked. Now the economy is trashed (don't think Obama did this in the short time he has been in power, go back to the previous administration) and Az. wants to get them out of the country. How many of the people that support the law that live in Az. have not used illegal labor in the past?
8 years of Bush/Cheney produced no progress in stopping the tide of illegal immigration. 1 year into a Democratic regime bodes no better. Arizona is to be commended for bringing this issue again to the attention of the Feds.

I do wonder one thing though, if we force all the illegals out of our country who will be left to do actual labor? In my WV county 40% of the white, native population are self-declared SSI disabled, pulling down $650 government checks every first of the month.

Truth is 'a country boy CAN'T survive' without his SSI 'welfare' check. Also known as a 'I go a bad back' check.
looks like arizona decided to "clarify" the law with new legislation before it was even enacted. now you can use jaywalking or parking violations to ask about immigration status.........sounds like a wealth of racial profiling can begin
Hoppy: We may do well to model laws in Arizona and elsewhere after Mexico's laws regarding transnational trespassers. Their laws are more stringent that those recently passed in Arizona. Illegal trespassers there are charged as a felon and provided a 2-year prison visit.
Hop,

If our worthless federal representatives and the president were less interested in getting elected and more interested in doing their jobs i.e., securing our borders, Arizona would not have needed to create a state law that is supported by a federal law already on the books. Every country in the world has immigration laws, including Mexico, and ours is less stringent than most. Our politicians just choose to ignore ours for the votes.

Time to throw the bums (Rahall, Mollahan, Byrd, Rockefeller) and the president out!
Question for CaptianQ: Just exactly did the "conservatives" during the Bush administration do about this issue? Just curious.
Problem: Illegals crossing the border. Solution: Big fence and armed guards.

Problem solved.
Hoppy, we can thank Arizona for implementing a State law that compliments Federal law, which is not being enforced. Soon, we are going to see court challenges to this Arizona law once it takes effect.

But in the meantime: (1) Massive Latino demonstrations are being planned and coordinated within the United States to "protest" this legislation. (2) President Obama will continue to push for some immigration reform that establishes a "pathway" to permanent residency, and US citizenship for some illegal aliens. (3) Homeland Security, ICE, Border Patrol, etc. will continue to fail in their duty to secure our southern border.

Arizona, as a border state, has gone proactive. President Obama calls the legislation of Arizona citizens "unwise". Now, the United States is forced to step up and deal with very large problem of it's own creation.

And Mexico will continue to allow their unwanted, unskilled, underclass population to seek refuge in a country that won't stop them.
I agree with TD's first post completely. If you make the fines for hiring illegals high enough employers will simply stop hiring them, especially if an easy method of verifying their legal status is in place (I'm not sure how easy e-verify is).

Also a very simply law can be passed in all states to combat the problem. Simply make it part of standard processing when a person is arrested to verify their immigration status. If they are illegal aliens deal with them accordingly. In this situation there is no grey area over how one defines "reasonable" belief that the person might be an illegal alien. The processing applies to everyone, simple as that.
No Smokey, the question about what does an illegal look like was a baited question that results in a bad answer no matter which way it is answered. The best answer as the answer she gave. If she would have said that an illegal looks Hispanic, then the left jumps up and down screaming as well as the lame stream media with a 24 hour repeating loop. The loop would play AZ governor condones racial profiling, stating all illegals are Hispanic.

However she was smart enough to not take the bait and didn't give the media fuel for their fire.
Hoppy, This is a problem, but Arizona's racial profiling law is not the answer. Some of your posters have noted correctly that Obama and Congress have not taken the lead. Bush tried, but Republicans prevented action then. Republicans want to close off the borders but seem to want to delay comprehensive reform, which as TD correctly points out, is the answer. Sure we need to secure the borders, but as one congressman stated, show me a 50 foot fence and I'll show you a 51 foot ladder. We need a comprehensive solution which includes tightening the border. Arizona's law is flawed both legally and practically. Governor Brewer pointed out the problem with the law by admitting that she does not know what an illegal immigrant looks like. Guess what, neither do the Arizona police. Have a great day.
Hoppy: I have no problem with Arizona's law. Those who should deal with the issue (Obama and Congress) have failed miserably, choosing instead to view illegals as potential voters. I find humor and hypocrisy in that Chicago law makers are calling for National Guard deployment to help fight an ever-increasing murder rate in a city with a gun ban, yet Washington seems to view illegals pouring across the border as insignificant. Maybe Chicago only needs a community organizer to quell the violence. With nearly 500,000 illegals in Arizona already, the new law is a start. What I've not seen yet is the impact these trespassers have on hospitals, schools, and other societal infrastructures. Good on Arizona for having the guts to do something about the problem where Washington has demonstrated only cowardice.
Hoppy,If any of us lived in Arizona, we would want the officials to do what they are doing. Arizona is the #2 spot in the world for kidnappings and murders. Are you kidding me, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has this kind of trouble. The federal government has dropped the ball like the many other times. Check out how Mexico protects its borders, we have got to get common sense back in our decision making. I do not know what they are going to do when they don't have race to blame for our problems.
There is more to it than just the illegals coming to the US and taking jobs. They are bringing drugs, they are fighting the police, they are in gangs, and they are breaking more laws other than being here illegally. Sticking it to the employers that hire them will only be a small dent. They will continue to come here and will just resort to crime, as is already the case, to get by.

Lastly, the governors response about not knowing what an illegal looks like was the perfect answer. She could have added that it is the job of the police to determine. That was a baited question and if she would have said they look like Mexicans, it would have been feeding frenzy to further the lefts racial profiling agenda. Well played on her part and kudos to AZ for taking a stand to do the federal governments job. Perhaps those that are suppose to be defending the borders are following the example set by the SEC and watching porn while they work.
If you are in this country illegally, then you are illegal!!! It's that simple!! TD has a good idea of where to start, by enforcing strict laws concerning employment, but we need to go at least one step further to combat illegal drug business. I have no problem with asking people to produce their "green card" and usually the ones who run when they see the law coming are the ones who are illegal.
what an awesome deal,, this should lead the way, if you cut off the waves of illegals now,at the border states, then that should keep them out of here, the mountains. HATS OFF TO ARIZONA, what took ya so long.
Hoppy I have several observations regarding this issue. Legal immigrants have always beeen welcome in this country. I agree that if it is illegal then the companies that are employing them should suffer severe consequences.

The illegal immigrant problems in Arizona, California, Texas New Meixco and maybe some other states like Colorado are much different than for the rest of the ountry.Arizona has come up with a solution for their state. As is always seems to be the case our fearless leader shoots off an opinion on a situation that he doesn't have the slighest idea about. My impression is that he thinks that he is gaining a political edge but in most cases he initally gets it wrong. Let Arizona try to work there own problems out. So far the federal government has not been very helpful on this issue.
Hoppy, the criticism of Arizona's law is yet another example of liberal Democrats run amuck. With unemployment hovering at over ten percent, liberals are fighting for the rights of illegal immigrants from Mexico to sneak across the border and take more of the precious few job still available in America! What's the logic in that? How can the Obama Administration say they want to create more jobs for unemployed Americans if they are in favor of allowing illegal aliens to take them?

Yet one more example of how Obamaism is wrecking this country. How can our President OPPOSE the enforcement of the immigration laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS? The reason is simple, politics. The Democrats are making a major play for the Hispanic vote by selling out job-seeking U.S. citizens. Makes no sense to me, but in 'Liberal Land' it is the gospel. In Liberal Land, America is 'evil' and all Americans must stand aside and allow 'undocumented workers' to come to this country, take our jobs, use our services (like Social Security, Welfare, Health Care, etc) and vote (for Democrats, of course). Who cares how much extra TRILLIONS of dollars it costs U.S. taxpayers, that's not a concern to the 'residents' of Liberal Land. They have NO problem tossing taxpayer's money around on things like a Stimulus (that created ZERO jobs and had HUNDREDS of pork barrel earmarks), Cap and Trade (which is really Cap and TAX) and ObamaCare (which has a TRILLION dollar price tag and won't do what Obama and the Dems say it will).

Maybe that's what jobless Americans should do, renounce their U.S. citizenship, go to Mexico and then sneak back across the border. Then Obama and his Democrat cronies would care enough about them to GIVE them jobs, free health care and welfare as well as protect their 'rights' to break the law to be here. As crazy as this sounds, residents of LIberal Land (like Obama) seem to care more about those who illegally enter the nation than about U.S. citizens who are trying their hardest just to survive in this aling economy.
Here is a huge problem with a very simple solution, in fact one that is already on the books could be used. It's called E-Verify, which states that employers must verify that their employees are US citizens or are here legally to work. The law isn't enforced so instead we go to "papers please", start the US down a path that is so un-American it's hard for us to comprehend.

If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants, which I wholeheartedly support, you need to eliminate the thing that draws them here. Start imposing BIGGG FINES or jail time for people who hire illegals, make the punishment such that employers won't even consider hiring them, the problem clears itself up.

Instead of this simple course of action, the gov and right wing of the Republican party are using it as a political football. One that in the end is going to hurt the Republican party badly.

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